hapless is a word that isn't used nearly enough around here. that's about to change.

here's a definition in case you're an idiot: Adj. 1. hapless - deserving or inciting pity; "a hapless victim"; "miserable victims of war"; "the shabby room struck her as extraordinarily pathetic"- Galsworthy; "piteous appeals for help"; "pitiable homeless children"; "a pitiful fate"; "Oh, you poor thing"; "his poor distorted limbs"; "a wretched life"

i'll say....

Liz Phair: Took a risk and fell on her face worse than any artist in the history of rock.
In the same way Madonna can never live down her reputation for making shitty movies, Liz is pretty much fucked. Even a decent album will be dragged down by the dogshit baggage of her last two. And her even having another decent album in her is a stretch.
At least Madonna has a few other careers to fall back on, musician being one of them.

I dare you to come up with somebody more hapless than Liz. And it can't be Courtney Love. Her downfall was fate and it suits her well, like bad puppies with their noses in the piss, so she isn't truly hapless.

No...I agree. I really don't think Liz has anything left to offer except maybe a jack johnson cover and some half nude shots. I still think Louise Post/ VS are still at least capable of making another good cd.

I'd say there are worse: Gary Glitter, Sinead O'Connor, Michael Jackson (although, not exactly rock), etc.

I'd vote for The Singing Nun if we're just going by the rock era and not only rock music. She went from being a devout Catholic nun to being a lesbian, promoted birth control against the church's wishes, went against their conservative views by agreeing with John Lennon's Jesus statement, and then she died with her lover from an overdose of alcohol and barbituates. She also owed taxes.

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"Hey Ram, doesn't this cafeteria have a no-fags-allowed rule?"

Bahahaha.

I dunno about ol' Liz Phair -- her fame was always kinda ridiculous to me anyway, with each record she just looked more musically confused. When she hooked up with the Matrix I found it kind of a relief, really, to hear someone taking care of the poor girl. Plus I like good Avril songs and other such pop lab experiments.

Me, I hated Beck for years. Then I heard this interview with Nardwuar and have felt sorry for him ever since. He seems so lost and pathetic. I can't think of him the same anymore. He's a wretch in my mind.

Yeah, but my interpretation of hapless is that we almost feel bad for feeling pity for somebody, because that makes them all the more pitiful.

Gary Glitter and Michael Jackson suffered downfalls, but a lot of people will tell you they still got off too easy.

Sinead O'Connor was so nutty in her convictions that we would almost be afraid to feel pity for her.
Like how you don't want to coddle a wounded rattlesnake because it could still fuck you up.
Her career never recovered, but she's still fairly respectable these days. She gets good reviews and will always be an amazing singer.

Suffering consequences from a rebellious act or becoming a martyr is a lot different from shitting your pants in public.
This thread is to pay tribute to those who shat their pants in public.