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10-26-2006, 06:01 PM
|  | Occam's chainsaw | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: goin down in a blaze of glory
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| | | What the hell is this about?
http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/vegemite.asp Claim: The U.S. has banned all imports of Vegemite due to the presence of folate. Status: False.
So the claim is false, but it is true that the U.S. only allows bread to have added folate. I didn't know this. Am I missing something? Is that supposed to be bad for you? Do they ban it in other countries?
part of the article: Quote:
The controversy centres on folate, an ingredient in Vegemite.
Under US regulations, folate can be added only to breads and cereals.
"One of the Vitamin B components (in Vegemite) is folate," Mr. Herndon said.
"In and of itself, it's not a violation. If they're adding folate to it, boosting it up, technically it would be a violation.
"But the FDA has not targeted it and I don't think we intend to target Vegemite simply because of that."
Joanna Scott, spokesperson for Vegemite's maker, Kraft, reportedly has said, "The Food and Drug Administration doesn't allow the import of Vegemite simply because the recipe does have the addition of folic acid".
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10-26-2006, 06:05 PM
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| | | I can't understand why they'd have such a stance on it. Is there some kind of adverse effect it can have that we don't know about? You'd have thought they might have mentioned this publicly.
In summary, I don't know what the hell this is about.
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Il se met à pleuvoir. L'homme n'ouvre pas son parapluie et l'autre lui demande pourquoi.
- Parce que ça ne servirait à rien, lui répond son ami. Il est plein de trous.
- Alors, pourquoi l'as-tu pris?
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10-26-2006, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Mambo I can't understand why they'd have such a stance on it. Is there some kind of adverse effect it can have that we don't know about? You'd have thought they might have mentioned this publicly.
In summary, I don't know what the hell this is about. | It just doesn't make sense. Why only bread? I know there is someone around here lurking who has a potential explanation, please share!
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10-26-2006, 11:12 PM
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| | | Because if all foods are allowed to be fortified with folate it's possible that people could wind up eating way too much folate? Just a guess. |
10-26-2006, 11:47 PM
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I thought folate was meant to be good for you.
There was something on the news last week about bread and folate and how they wanted to put folate in all bread, but I think it was poo-pooed by the food industry people and it's not going ahead. That's here in NZ, anyway. |
10-26-2006, 11:48 PM
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| | | Probably has something to do with the Folate lobby. |
10-27-2006, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by awful_cherry Because if all foods are allowed to be fortified with folate it's possible that people could wind up eating way too much folate? Just a guess. | Maybe, but if it were that dangerous, I'd think they would have to put a warning on bread either telling you not to eat too much or telling you the signs of a folate overdose. Damn, what a sad way that would be to go.  Quote: |
Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat ?
I thought folate was meant to be good for you.
There was something on the news last week about bread and folate and how they wanted to put folate in all bread, but I think it was poo-pooed by the food industry people and it's not going ahead. That's here in NZ, anyway. | Now I'm even more intrigued because you guys get to have vegemite. hmmm.
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10-27-2006, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by herekitty Maybe, but if it were that dangerous, I'd think they would have to put a warning on bread either telling you not to eat too much or telling you the signs of a folate overdose. Damn, what a sad way that would be to go.
Now I'm even more intrigued because you guys get to have vegemite. hmmm. | Mmmmmmmm, we love our Vegemite (well, I don't, I love Marmite). |
10-27-2006, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat Mmmmmmmm, we love our Vegemite (well, I don't, I love Marmite). | And seriously, I don't think there is anything really wrong or bad about folate. I think the issue was that people should be allowed to decide whether they wanted folatey bread or not, and also there was something about how it would piss bakers off because they would have to make new recipes? I'm not sure. I need to pay more attention. |
10-27-2006, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat Mmmmmmmm, we love our Vegemite (well, I don't, I love Marmite). | yeah vegemite seriously sucks i like marmite. You know i have found that people get very defensive when stating their preference, i know i do and i find it quite bloody hilarious. When i find out someone likes vegemite rather than marmite i secretly become suspicious and resentful towards them.
I just think it says alot about a person
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10-27-2006, 03:15 PM
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| | | Health risk of too much folic acid
The risk of toxicity from folic acid is low.[14] The Institute of Medicine has established a tolerable upper intake level (UL) for folate of 1,000 µg for adult men and women, and a UL of 800 µg for pregnant and lactating (breast-feeding) women less than 18 years of age. Supplemental folic acid should not exceed the UL to prevent folic acid from masking symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency.[15]
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10-27-2006, 03:17 PM
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| | | [edit] Folic acid supplements and masking of B12 deficiency
There has been concern about the interaction between vitamin B12 and folic acid.[citation needed] Folic acid supplements can correct the anemia associated with vitamin B12 deficiency. Unfortunately, folic acid will not correct changes in the nervous system that result from vitamin B12 deficiency. Permanent nerve damage could theoretically occur if vitamin B12 deficiency is not treated. Therefore, intake of supplemental folic acid should not exceed 1000 micrograms (1000 µg, sometimes incorrectly written as 1000 mcg) per day (better would be 1 milligram) to prevent folic acid from masking symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency. In fact, evidence that such masking actually occurs is scarce, and there is no evidence that folic acid fortification in Canada or the US has increased the prevalence of vitamin B12 deficiency or its consequences. [1]
Still it is important for older adults to be aware of the relationship between folic acid and vitamin B12 because they are at greater risk of having a vitamin B12 deficiency. If you are 50 years of age or older, ask your physician to check your B12 status before you take a supplement that contains folic acid.
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10-27-2006, 03:18 PM
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| | | as with just about everything-its about moderation.there are numerous vitamins and minerals you arent supposed to overconsume such as vitamin a. |
10-27-2006, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by omar yeah vegemite seriously sucks i like marmite. You know i have found that people get very defensive when stating their preference, i know i do and i find it quite bloody hilarious. When i find out someone likes vegemite rather than marmite i secretly become suspicious and resentful towards them.
I just think it says alot about a person | Teehee. Like chip flavours, right?  |
10-27-2006, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by indigenousinsight as with just about everything-its about moderation.there are numerous vitamins and minerals you arent supposed to overconsume such as vitamin a. | Ok. Thanks for posting all that info. But I always thought folic acid was good for pregnant women especially, and helped reduce the risk of birth defects?
Damn, I'm going to have to go find out more.
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10-28-2006, 08:33 AM
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| | | yes it is.it is very important especially for pregnant people and most people do not consume enough of it.
probablly the only people who would overdose on foods containing it would be compulsive overeaters and theyd have to be eating primarily foods containing it.
i read once there is a chance one could overdose on say caffeine(like take bottle of caffeine pills)possibly alot of beverages(very unlikely)like when pregnant it takes a long time for the body to clean it out of the kidneys and people with kidney problems.my grandma is going to be 89 and they dont want to put her on dialysis so the doctors keep telling her just drink water.she says she gets tired of water and drinks her soda and coffee...my mom is like well she is 88 let her enjoy her life and i am like yeah mom but i just want her to do whats best for her health. |
10-28-2006, 08:37 AM
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| | | your welcome.
one more thing alot of people need to look at all the vitamins and supplements they take for some have the same ingredients(vitamins)sometimes its necessary for say a multivitamin might not have enough of something you really need/want but you dont want to get like 300 or 400 % of most of those kinda same deal with medicines you wouldnt wanna take two meds with similar/same thing to overdose.one time someone took some medicine before going to the dentist to have work done and was put to sleep and didnt wake back up and died. |
10-28-2006, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat Teehee. Like chip flavours, right? | fuck yeah, ready salted just doesn't cut it i'm afraid |
10-28-2006, 10:37 PM
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| | | this is dumb if it is a real ban.
there is no way you could eat enough of this stuff in a day to do any harm, you spread it thinner than butter, barely enough on the toast and it is more than enough. everyone who tries vegemite for the first time spreads it on thick like jam or something...lol
spread thinly and it tastes delicious, spread thick and you may as well be eating a shit sandwich! |
11-02-2006, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by had a dad this is dumb if it is a real ban.
there is no way you could eat enough of this stuff in a day to do any harm, you spread it thinner than butter, barely enough on the toast and it is more than enough. everyone who tries vegemite for the first time spreads it on thick like jam or something...lol
spread thinly and it tastes delicious, spread thick and you may as well be eating a shit sandwich! | So which of you fine Aussies and/or NZ'ers wants to smuggle in vegemite for me? 
I would like to start an international vegemite smuggling operation but I'm not sure how to start it up. 
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