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09-29-2008, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumperlyn  As far a twin, that'd be a horrible situation, but I still couldn't imagine where there'd be no better option. | just because you can't imagine something is a bit different to doing some research on something and realising that these heartbreaking situations do exist.
as for the choice between chemotherapy and abortion, i'm going to go with chemo. may you never develop breast cancer during pregnancy, and have to eat your own hat. likewise, may you never have to choose between delivering at 21 weeks or having your liver pack up.
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09-29-2008, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumperlyn Beside the fact that you hate me, I find that to be pretty fucking amazing. And while you also hate my God, it leaves me in awe of Him. | i don't hate your god at all, he just doesn't exist. there's a difference.
the thing is, it's not like everyone's running out there and getting an abortion like it's a buffet. you know what i mean? there's many countries (more specifically asian) that kill babies for population control without the consent of the parents. it's just law. why aren't you fighting this?
abortion in america isn't a FORCED practice, it's a choice. this is not like slavery and/or nazi regime.
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09-29-2008, 06:47 PM
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There's not been a lot of collected information about the reasons women abort, except a 1987 poll of less than 2,000 women. In that poll, 2.8% of women stated their own health and 3.3% stated that the health of the baby was compromised. Now, these are just what the women stated. Some may have been referred by their doctors, but many weren't. (btw those are the numbers for women having ANY abortion at all and since the majority of abortions are 1st term, the late terms numbers would be even smaller.)
| oh boy! a poll from 1987!
oh, and it's a good thing that physical health is the ONLY important part of life! Quote: |
And at what point do we say that a woman is in danger? And in what situation will having a late-term abortion save a woman on the verge of dying? I've yet to see this. Delivering a premature baby, sure- that happens. But how does killing it instead help save the mother>?
| You're not a fucking doctor. Obviously. So, no. You haven't SEEN this. Yet, it happens! Quote: |
I'm not okay with a law that exists only for a small percentage of the population, when it is so damaging to such a large percentage.
| What's damaging is misinformed/mislead people with absolutely no idea of what's going on having political input.
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"I mean, they lost both parents. That's just careless." - Zach Braff on orphans
"Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of killing unwanted babies, it's just that the idea of letting women make a decision doesn't sit well with me." - Zach Braff on abortion.
"It's not that I think the Nazis were right, or anything. It's just that, we weren't there, we don't know."
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09-29-2008, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumperlyn Jews | Please don't co-opt my people for your fucked up proselytizing, we don't believe in your God either.
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09-29-2008, 06:48 PM
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| | | & actually your facts against abortion, just glorify your disagreement with the practice, so that's why i'm discussing that.
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09-29-2008, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumperlyn It's the same as standing up for and fighting for the rights of any human being. They have no voice (much as one time Jews and Blacks didn't).
But atm- I'm primarily focused not on the decision to have an abortion, but on how to diminish the desire for it and for exposing the truths around it, like this- that children are born alive and treated inhumanely. | then why not side with those who actually do stand up for the millions of poor adults and children who already are alive and need help? i don't want aborted babies to suffer anymore than a hungry kid does but i'm certainly not going to give my support to a candidate who favors the fetus but couldn't give two shits about it once it's been born. |
09-29-2008, 06:53 PM
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| | | i rly hate that i can't pos rep Cherry nebula. A+ will agree with again soon.
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09-29-2008, 07:00 PM
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| | | i dont trust religious people. or people who have gentle smiles |
09-29-2008, 07:07 PM
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| | | I live in America. I can vote here. I can try to change things here. You make it sound like if I can't save the world then I have no business helping anyone ever. People have to stand up for others that can not do it for themselves, or there'd still be things like slavery in this country. I do what I can. I'm one person.
But like I said, it's more about the fact that the system that's demanding legal abortion is corrupt.
Mandatory reporting laws get ignored.
Women die time and time again from incompetency of medical staff and infection from less than sterile conditions.
Women are not given proper education about this elective medical procedure, as you would any other medical procedure. The risks and possible complications are not explained clearly as they otherwise would, and therefore is not "informed consent."
There is no proper aftercare for the physical and emotional issues that arrive for post-abortive women. Keep in mind, the restoration of hormone levels combines with the other emotional issues the woman is dealing with.
There's that abortion is marketed by Planned Parenthood to the poor and to African-Americans. Their founder wrote books about using abortion to hinder the population growth of African-Americans.
There's more than just the moral debate of is abortion right or wrong. I'm against it on many levels.
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09-29-2008, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mthrfckr. & just to gloat. i was born at 24 weeks. shortly after that i got a brain hemmorage, & had a 5% chance to walk or talk. it was sheer fucking luck that i can do both just fine. but what my parents went through, i'd never wish upon anyone. | I was born at 24 weeks too, and also had the brain haemorrhage joy. My mother was told I'd probably be a vegetable. Go us?
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09-29-2008, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jean-Paul
oh boy! a poll from 1987!
oh, and it's a good thing that physical health is the ONLY important part of life!
You're not a fucking doctor. Obviously. So, no. You haven't SEEN this. Yet, it happens!
What's damaging is misinformed/mislead people with absolutely no idea of what's going on having political input.
| you sound like someone that has about no idea of what's going on.. That poll was conducted by the The Guttmacher Institute. They're Pro-choice. The point is that there isn't a lot of information. But if women were needing abortions to save their lives on a grand scale, there would be more information available.
Look allowing for protection for babies born alive after abortion is NOT connected to abortion rights, which was the entire point.
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09-29-2008, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumperlyn I live in America. I can vote here. I can try to change things here. You make it sound like if I can't save the world then I have no business helping anyone ever. People have to stand up for others that can not do it for themselves, or there'd still be things like slavery in this country. I do what I can. I'm one person.
But like I said, it's more about the fact that the system that's demanding legal abortion is corrupt.
Mandatory reporting laws get ignored.
Women die time and time again from incompetency of medical staff and infection from less than sterile conditions.
Women are not given proper education about this elective medical procedure, as you would any other medical procedure. The risks and possible complications are not explained clearly as they otherwise would, and therefore is not "informed consent."
There is no proper aftercare for the physical and emotional issues that arrive for post-abortive women. Keep in mind, the restoration of hormone levels combines with the other emotional issues the woman is dealing with.
There's that abortion is marketed by Planned Parenthood to the poor and to African-Americans. Their founder wrote books about using abortion to hinder the population growth of African-Americans.
There's more than just the moral debate of is abortion right or wrong. I'm against it on many levels. |
If what your propaganda is saying WAS true and i'm not saying it isn't, i'm just saying that your sources are completely fucking biased...
& the abortion clinics are ATROCIOUS and dire as you're saying... how are you helping this situation by outlawing them completely?
because without any clinics (dire or not), without that choice given to them some women will just go about doing it themselves w/ nothing but a wire hanger. so... tell me again how you're actually helping your cause.
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09-29-2008, 07:23 PM
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There is no proper aftercare for the physical and emotional issues that arrive for post-abortive women. Keep in mind, the restoration of hormone levels combines with the other emotional issues the woman is dealing with.
| There's proper MEDICAL aftercare for them. No medical procedure is 100% safe.
Proper emotional aftercare? Seriously? there's no proper fucking emotional "aftercare" for any part of life, it's up to everyone to deal with what they have to do. That's no reason to ban anything. You may as well kill yourself if you think you require proper emotional aftercare for LIFE, let alone a medical procedure.
and i am interested.
what is the proper emotional aftercare for a child who grows up bouncing around in the foster care system? what is the proper emotional aftercare of a person forced to carry out a physically and mentally exhaustive life experience such as pregnancy when they are in no way shape or form ready to do it?
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"I mean, they lost both parents. That's just careless." - Zach Braff on orphans
"Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of killing unwanted babies, it's just that the idea of letting women make a decision doesn't sit well with me." - Zach Braff on abortion.
"It's not that I think the Nazis were right, or anything. It's just that, we weren't there, we don't know."
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09-29-2008, 07:26 PM
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| | | What's the emotional aftercare for an "abortion survivor"? I went and looked at the website that video was from afterwards and they had testimonials from someone who'd survived their mother's abortion. I couldn't help thinking it'd be kinder to kill the foetus than let it know it was a failed abortion.
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09-29-2008, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mthrfckr. If what your propaganda is saying WAS true and i'm not saying it isn't, i'm just saying that your sources are completely fucking biased...
& the abortion clinics are ATROCIOUS and dire as you're saying... how are you helping this situation by outlawing them completely?
because without any clinics (dire or not), without that choice given to them some women will just go about doing it themselves w/ nothing but a wire hanger. so... tell me again how you're actually helping your cause. | But they didnt do that on the level that people believe. And in fact, some women still do it now with abortion legal and cheap and readily available.
Most abortions pre-Roe were still preformed by doctors/nurses. Planned Parenthood estimated that 3-8% of all illegal abortions were either self induced or by an unprofessional helping them. And that still exists. The CDC concluded in thier 1982 look into it, that women choose "the coat hanger" for "idiosyncratic" reasons. The legalization of abortion has little to nothing to do with it.
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09-29-2008, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jean-Paul There's proper MEDICAL aftercare for them. No medical procedure is 100% safe.
Proper emotional aftercare? Seriously? there's no proper fucking emotional "aftercare" for any part of life, it's up to everyone to deal with what they have to do. That's no reason to ban anything. You may as well kill yourself if you think you require proper emotional aftercare for LIFE, let alone a medical procedure.
and i am interested.
what is the proper emotional aftercare for a child who grows up bouncing around in the foster care system? what is the proper emotional aftercare of a person forced to carry out a physically and mentally exhaustive life experience such as pregnancy when they are in no way shape or form ready to do it? | Have ya ever been through any sort of trauma in your life- like the VERY real trauma of having to decide whether to have an abortion?? The very real trauma of having to deal with the fact that you did?
Well I have. I had an abortion in 2002. The single worse choice of my life! And at the time I thought I was doing the right thing. And it came back to haunt me like you would not believe. I was NOT a Christian then. In fact, I was on your side and very much actively pro-choice. How the fuck do you think I came to be a part of a place like this [KR]? Having an abortion is traumatic and a doctor should care about your mental health afterwards.
And while someone with an education will know that no medical procedure is safe, do you think the 13 year olds that hide from their parents understand that? Or the uneducated impoverished person living in the ghetto to whom abortion is targeted at?
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09-29-2008, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Thumperlyn But they didnt do that on the level that people believe. And in fact, some women still do it now with abortion legal and cheap and readily available.
Most abortions pre-Roe were still preformed by docto | | |
