find me a link to this shit that is not in musical form and i'll take you seriously.

i also want a website that is not biased.


not that this changes my vote whatsoever. i just don't think you can come up with anything.

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Asking that doctors be willing to be martyred in order to perform abortions isn’t exactly going to get you the best crop – and yet more women still die in childbirth than during abortions. People have more second-trimester abortions that they otherwise would because the things your side did mean they have to take the time to save money for a trip. People have more abortions than they otherwise would when having another kid will mean starving the ones they already have.

I am just totally fucking fed up. I know I have a reputation as one of the more even-handed people on this board even though I have very definite opinions, but at this point I haven’t the strength to try. The country is going down in flames, you people did it, and still have nothing to say but how horrible we are. I want a better country for my children.

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It's obviously easy to find it reposted multiple times by Conservitive groups, but I do have this from The Washington Post

This is where I got that link.

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Are you posting that link to show that even the "liberal media" is in agreement? Because that there is an op-ed piece by Michael Gerson, who served as W's speechwriter (recruited by Karl Rove no less).

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well, ^^^.

exactly.

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hilarious. anyone who uses the example of abstinence education as a feasible means of preventing unwanted pregnancy is pretty obvious (in revealing their right-wingedness, that is). it didn't work for thumperlyn or bristol.

No, Tamera wanted a link that wasn't from a Pro-life or Christian group... that Obama's oppostion would be believed as fact if posted within national media. All media is biased. And with an opinion as far left as Obama's- that even NARAL doesn't go as far, wouldn't be bragged about by his people.

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It's Tamara, and I wanted an unbiased link. That included right-wing agenda.

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i can understand that abortion is a touchy moral issue and morally i am not sure i could go through with it myself. i do know as a LEGAL issue though that i support it 110%, because my moral choice is not one i have the right to make for other people. get it? pro-CHOICE.

that said, if a woman's life is put at risk by her pregnancy, then why the hell should she be made to go through with it?

thumper do you believe that a mother whose life is at risk has the right to terminate at any point in her pregnancy?

bc if the answer is no then i think you really have no business calling yourself "pro-life". sometimes partial birth abortions etc are a heartbreaking necessity to save someones life - the mothers. why she should truly risk her life to bring another one into the world is beyond me.

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McCain Opens Up New Attack on Obama's Abortion Stance - US News and World Report

From his own mouth. He believed there was sufficient protection already in place and that the bill would try to overturn Roe.
But they aren't even connected. It's because he views these babies as not viable, but that's a vague area.

transcripts

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Once the child is able to live outside the womb, which with medical advancements is sooner and sooner, there is no need for a woman to terminate her pregnancy to save her life. You're talking about a surgical abortion vs giving birth, either way baby is coming out. Alive or dead wouldn't matter to the woman. It will be traumatic for her body.
There's not been a lot of collected information about the reasons women abort, except a 1987 poll of less than 2,000 women. In that poll, 2.8% of women stated their own health and 3.3% stated that the health of the baby was compromised. Now, these are just what the women stated. Some may have been referred by their doctors, but many weren't. (btw those are the numbers for women having ANY abortion at all and since the majority of abortions are 1st term, the late terms numbers would be even smaller.)
And at what point do we say that a woman is in danger? And in what situation will having a late-term abortion save a woman on the verge of dying? I've yet to see this. Delivering a premature baby, sure- that happens. But how does killing it instead help save the mother>?
I'm not okay with a law that exists only for a small percentage of the population, when it is so damaging to such a large percentage.

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technically a baby at 24 weeks is viable, but that is extremely touch and go. the chance of a baby born at 24 weeks surviving is not good, and the chance of it surviving and being healthy is even lower. so many things can go wrong for them. this isn't simply "premature".

pre-eclampsia, HELLP sydrome, terminal cancer, anti-partum hemmhorage, serious automobile accident - just a few reasons where continuing a pregnancy could kill the mother.

what about twin to twin transfusion where one twin has to be killed so they don't both die?

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how is it damaging you whether someone gets an abortion or not?

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can you hear the screaming of the lambs, clarice?

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& just to gloat. i was born at 24 weeks. shortly after that i got a brain hemmorage, & had a 5% chance to walk or talk. it was sheer fucking luck that i can do both just fine. but what my parents went through, i'd never wish upon anyone.

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lol, tamara. not helpingggg.

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pre-eclampsia? as a reason to terminate?
terminal cancer- or terminal anything means mom's already gonna die, why should the child die too? (I hate the way that even sounds) And there's a difference between a child dying as a result of something (such a Cancer treatment drugs) and being killed as a separate procedure. That's unnecessary. That's a willful act. As far a twin, that'd be a horrible situation, but I still couldn't imagine where there'd be no better option.
And again a law existing for a tiny minority should not outweigh one to protect so many.

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oh i know. but i wasn't an abortion. and the reason i got the hemmorage was because i was severely premature.

most aren't as lucky as me is what i'm saying. idk it sounded ok in my head

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