Any one lost interest in creating since the big internet boom, i still lovvvveeeee to paint like crazy, but any ambition of actually making something out of it i.e professionally has gone out of the window

"Creating art is soul-building work; making money is an ego-building art"
~~carefulcarpenter

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

You always post something beautiful.


However I would like it if you came with a manual because I haven't once understood a thing you have written.

Still beautiful though.

and professionally I mean to be known, not exactly rich.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and you, kasmin, behold beauty. Art and soul is not to be understood directly, so no manual can effectively be written. If you know too much about something aesthetic is looses its mystery; and mystery is what art is alluding to.

I turned down fame because it meant I would be expected to serve the wrong master. At my age I can make a living serving the hidden wants in my customers and still derive great pleasure from my creative carpentry talents. Follow your dream if no more than as a second endeavor after your day job.



"The money, the gold, is seldom given
To a soul too honest or a heart too driven;

But simple treasures of life may accumulate awhile
They're revealed by your spirit, it shows in your smile"
~~carefulcarpenter

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

I wish Sophia would just 'follow my dream' and die.

It just means you either have to be really fucking good or talk a good game. Sadly it's the talkers and big "personalities" that seem to get themselves noticed more than the ones with real genuine talent.

This is how I feel about music. Lets kill ourselves together.

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It does seem to zap a lot out of you sometimes.

the internet is procrastination hell full stop. not just for art, for any subject or other hobby

or do you mean the internet has made you realise you cant make money out of art? im confused now

i always end up feeling bad about my skills at everything because of the internet.
not just art.

ALTHOUGH, i do feel like if i tried HARD i could make better music than 99% of the shitty bands that add me to myspace. but as bookstore says, i spend way too much time on here and couldn't be arsed.

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Maybe you could send him like a coat hanger or soup mix in the mail with a post it-
"when you paint with your eyes closed, you never become picasso, you just become an ironic narcissist with uncomfortable shades".
Throwing people off is thrilling.

-ktlr

The internet just makes a lot of modest people realise that there are people a lot better than them out there. I just wish more of the retards would have the same epiphanies and stop clogging everything up for everyone else.

Deviantart as a prime example - home to some really good stuff, but most of your user comments etc. are from some tards who spend half their lives drawing shitty manga unicorns and shit, and think because they have a page on a site called deviant "art" that they're somehow worthy of being called great all of a sudden.

This goes for plenty of muscians lately too.

I remember I was looking at my friend's deviant art page...and decided to go through the websites most favored art.......alot of it was "Anime"...

Why would anyone think that art should be sold?

If a person expresses the deep hidden beauty and truth which is manifest via many forms as personhood-- why would a vital, rich-soiled venue such as the internet not be a perfect canvas to accept the vibrant colors of cosmic light and soul energy?

Why do you worry so about a contracted servitude to the egos of the blind? Art is for the sake of the soul. Be an artist; be free.



"Express the beauty in all forms; create, create, create...... a new vision for those with the eyes, ears, and a heartstrings to receive such divinely inspired wonderlust and individuality of being. Cyberspace was created so that the art of creation could permeate the rigid and cemented ironworks of man's imprisonment and slavery to technological doctrine. Free your souls; break your chains! Fly!!"
~~carefulcarpenter (titmouse_)

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

Wow, this is an old thread--on the first page!

Well, I am going to be a dissenting voice here. There are still artists out there making things. Some because that is what they excel at and some as defiantly going against the digital. The thing is that even an artist who makes still doesn't necessarily make his/her art him/herself. There are often many studio assistants that will carry out the gruntwork. So is that art not seen by some of you as carrying the same weight as just one artist with a canvas and a paintbrush?

I will concede that from time to time I do feel a little despair because the art that is being highlighted by big shows--such as the Whitney Biennial--is so esoteric and uncompelling to the eye that it puts off even the most devoted art follower. Nonetheless, my feeling during these shows is still a sense of optimism that we are still trying to figure out who exactly is making art that will connect with people and become lasting. Skepticism is good, for the most part.

As for 'making money' or making a living as an artist, which was only briefly touched upon here, I guess my question is, do you want to be a Damien Hirst? A Jeff Koons? A Murakami? Is that your measure of success? Because if it is, wow, that is one hell of a goal. Definitely not impossible, but it will take some time and it will take an equal amount of tenacity to do such big, bold, and brash art/business decisions. On this end, though, I am only now learning.

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"We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard-working, very patriotic, very pro-America areas of this great nation," she told the crowd.

there are these two art majors that used to live next door to me. one of them was quiet and shy, but also very talented. not many people knew about her amazing work though. but her loud-mouthed (and much less talented) roommate talked about herself all the time to the point where people assumed that she was naturally better (which was not the case).

"...killing off the best; to make the future last..."
~~Janis Ian: from the song "Killing Strovinski"

I've worked for a couple of the world's famous contemporary artists. I could tell some wild stories; but no one really wants to hear what's behind the pretense of FAME.

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

that's probably for the best...
and of course...all the greats...were fueled by that stuff.
you have more to fear from

envious
competitive


than from computers...or cyberspace...

I would agree--envy and jealousy often kill creativity, passion, and love--in the one caught up in the ego trap of envy; this is why, I believe, there are so many mediocres making money rather than art. Money has more status attached.

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

I don't have any talents. And some creativity sometimes comes when drunk, but leaves me immediately.