i dont get it. whats the point? im in a 3d design class and i can seem to wrap my head around it. why? swinging a bath tub from a celing or filling a room with fuzzy stuff and playing bird noises is just kind of pointless? am i the only one that thinks this? can someone explain it to me because im lost. maybe this is why no one takes artists seriously. maybe im just missing something but i cant sit in that class for one minute longer and pretend to understand/care

Isn't it about visualising what you want to create in 3D ?
And a matter of the specific thing you're looking at ?
I mean, not even people who like performance art or installations will like everything out there (ok, maybe even they exist too).

I'd say it's visually materialising thoughts, feelings, ideas, stories, concepts, playing with spatiality, the senses/physical sensuality/philosophical sensuality/spiritual sensuality etc, looking at things from different or new angles... sometimes you have to know the concepts behind the thing you are looking at to get a thoughtprocess going or you could end up thinking: "A piece of white wood nailed to the floor, oh great!", which you could still end up thinking, but I think those things are probably essential to understanding.

Of course, some things are just shit and/or one just doesn't relate.

There are some great conceptual/performance artists out there, some are students, even...Don't let your experience in your art class tarnish the possibilities of actually enjoying that facet of artmaking.

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I always really liked the idea of installation art.

Um, there's my two pennies..

yeah i see your point... but unless you are comunicating your thoughts with your viewer its not about your viewer its about you. you dont have to be overt in your comunication. there is some amazing stuff out there. when its good its really good, when its bad its really bad. i think i was just in a bad mood

I don't necessarily think it's always so, especially not when the theme is about a broader topic, I think sometimes it's just about opening up to something.

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smart.

Some times it's about creating a certain experience for the viewer.

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most conceptual / performance art makes me think "what a pile of wank"

but then i realise i shouldnt label it as wank just cos *i* dont understand it

i think you do have to understand what the piece is about sometimes to feel as the viewer, a connection with the art.

i think its intresting to learn about. but i can see why people think it is total bullshit as "art" at times...

youre probably being taught this in 3D class, so that you can see the way these people think(thats what its like at my school anyway..), and try and think in different ways when designing and creating your own work.
i personally feel that what i have learnt about fine artists and conceptual art even though i study illustration it has made me challenge the way id work as an illustrator/designer! you should embrace the bath and bird noises discussions

you probably have a personality type according to myer briggs that has a "TP" component at the end...i.e INTP... they don't see the point in bullshit like this...

however, from my perspective alot of this stuff is designed to appreciate the process that takes you from one concrete throught to the next...i.e what happens between the thoughts when counting your 8 times tables? your brain does something... or what does your brain do when you are looking to learn, or be inspired.... alot fo bullshit art subconsciously allows you to construct a concrete reality without you realising it. so while it may seem like bullshit, in my opinion we need more of it.

Good point. I'd like to hear what you personally mean by "construct a concrete reality", can you give examples ?

I like to compare installation art to a novel without illustrations, a certain amount of your own imagination is required to visualise the message or point the words are trying to make.

With classic art where every last detail is lined out to perfection, there's a certain amount of passivity in the viewing when looking at it and doesn't always provoke you to understand it when its visually satisfying. Some installation art requires thought to appreciate it on any level in contrast. Some in fact require you to actually interact with it (e.g. the fish in a blender ) Which is a radical thing in itself in comparison to traditional art. It's just moving forward and doing something new like the impressionists did for their time. Ironically, they were also not taken seriously as 'real' art either because they weren't churning out Botichellis. It's just taking the concept to another level.

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It's not new, Duchamp was already around when Impressionism was in force.

ugh, well in the history of painting it is relatively modern.
Impressionism started in the 19th century, Surrealism and Daidism isn't until 20th century. Installation art didn't peak until the 1970's. if you really want to get hoity toity about this. Duchamp doesn't pass as a movement, he's just one artist.

any institution, government, novel, family setting, home, religion (?), prisons, hollywood, cults.... all are all false concrete realities.

i'm talking about the reality we take for granted - yet was initially inspired from abstract ideas that existed before it was actually created.

lol, one of the most important figures in the birth of installation art as we know it, so no, not "just one artist", and he started out with impressionism (late first wave), but whatevs.